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How Not To Argue 101
Readers need to take note of this warning (originally given on the opening page of my site) before following the links below:
For anyone interested, check out the desperate 'debating' tactics used by Dialectical Mystics in their attempt to respond to my ideas.
You will no doubt notice that the vast majority all say the same sorts of things, and most of them pepper their remarks with scatological and abusive language. And they all like to make things up, too, about me and my beliefs.
25 years (!!) of this from Dialectical Mystics has meant I now take an aggressive stance with them every time -- I soon learnt back in the 1980s that being pleasant with them (my initial tactic) did not alter their abusive tone, their propensity to fabricate, nor reduce the amount of scatological language they used.
So, these days, I generally go for the jugular from the get-go.
Apparently, they expect me to take their abuse lying down, and regularly complain about my "bullying" tactics.
These mystics can dish it out, but clearly they cannot take it.
Given the damage their theory has done to Marxism, and the abuse they all dole out, they are lucky this is all I can do to them.
[Why they do this is explained here.]
[DM = Dialectical Materialism; NON = Negation of the Negation.]
Very rarely do dialectically-distracted comrades differ from the above clichéd stereotype.
RevLeft
Here is a list of the many threads at RevLeft where I have debated this 'theory' over the last six years.
[April 2011: The Dialectical Mystics have gained a majority on the Admin team at RevLeft, and have finally managed to ban me from their site. Since they couldn't win a single argument, and because there are no gulags left that will take me, they found they could silence me in no other way.]
RevLeft.com - Mao's 'Theory' of Change
[At the second of the above links, begin on page three.]
Warning: the above two links lead to two particularly good examples of how desperate Dialectical Mystics become in their endeavour to defend their 'theory', at all costs. Neutral observers will find it hard to believe what they see!
RevLeft.com - Dialectics Made Easy Part Two
RevLeft.com - What About Metaphysics?
RevLeft.com - What is Dialectical Materialism?
RevLeft.com - Is Dialectical Materialism Practical?
RevLeft.com - Mao's Dialectics
RevLeft.com - @nti-Dialectics Made Easy, Thread Two
RevLeft.com - Why Are People So Against Dialectical Materialism?
RevLeft.com - Against A Materialist Ontology
RevLeft.com - Dialectical Materialism, Again
RevLeft.com - Dialectical Materialism
RevLeft.com - Why Is Dialectical Materialism Considered A World Theory?
RevLeft.com - Another Fatal Dialectical Defect
RevLeft.com - Should We Allow Philosophy To Destroy Our Faith In The Revolution?
RevLeft.com - Dialectics And "Ruling-Class Ideas"
RevLeft.com - A Thought On Dialectics
RevLeft.com - Lenin Refutes Newton, Again
RevLeft.com - Dialectics And Political Theory
RevLeft.com - Dialectics/Anti-Dialectics And History
RevLeft.com - Dialectical Materialism Made Easy
RevLeft.com - Out Of Sheer Curiosity: Do You Adhere To Dialectical Materialism?
RevLeft.com - Thesis-Antithesis-Synthesis
RevLeft.com - Isn't DM De-motivating?
RevLeft.com - To Rosa -- Marx on Dialectics
RevLeft.com - Dialectical Phenomenology
RevLeft.com - Journal of Theoretical Dialectics
RevLeft.com - Ilyenkov's Dialectical Logic
RevLeft.com - Rosa and Zurdito on Dialectics
RevLeft.com - Anti-Dühring Again
RevLeft.com - Is Historical Materialism Scientific?
RevLeft.com - Is There a Marxist Philosophy?
RevLeft.com - Rosa's Letter to the ISR -- And Rebuttal
RevLeft.com - What is Dialectics?
RevLeft.com - Contradictions in Society
RevLeft.com - Dialectical Materialism -- Does it Work?
RevLeft.com - The Dialectical Method
RevLeft.com - Marx and Contradiction
RevLeft.com - Dialectical and Historical Materialism
RevLeft.com - New Materialism?
RevLeft.com - Is Abstraction Valid?
RevLeft.com - What is Contradiction?
RevLeft.com - Scrapping Dialectics -- What Would be Lost?
RevLeft.com - The Only Law of Dialectics?
RevLeft.com - A Question to Rosa
RevLeft.com - Did Mao Reject The Negation of the Negation?
RevLeft.com - 'Hegelian' Triad
RevLeft.com - Did Lenin Believe in Santa Claus?
RevLeft.com - A Question On Totality
RevLeft.com - Do All Things Have an Opposite?
RevLeft.com - Materialism Without Dialectics
RevLeft.com - Stalin and Quantity into Quality
RevLeft.com - DM Gives a Scientific View
RevLeft.com - Quantity into Quality, Again
RevLeft.com - The Revolutionary Dialectic
RevLeft.com - Dialectics for Dummies
RevLeft.com - Dialectics 'Made Easy'
RevLeft.com - Stalin on Materialism
RevLeft.com - Quantity and Quality
RevLeft.com- Dialectics for Kids
RevLeft.com - Where is the Mysticism?
RevLeft.com - DM: A Total Screw-Up
RevLeft.com - @nti-dialectics Made Easy
RevLeft.com - Beyond Anti-dialectics... Anti-materialism
RevLeft.com - Dialectics: A Deep Mystery Even to Dialecticians
RevLeft.com - Spot the Difference
RevLeft.com - Can Light-Bulbs Change Themselves?
RevLeft.com - The Opiate of the Party
RevLeft.com - Dialectical Materialism
RevLeft.com - More Fun with Hegel!
RevLeft.com - Dialectical Materialism
RevLeft.com - Dialectical Materialism 01
RevLeft.com - The Dialecticians' Dilemma
RevLeft.com - Diabolical Logic Bites the Dust
RevLeft.com - DM: A Total Screw-Up
RevLeft.com - The Mystical Origins of Hegel's Thought
RevLeft.com - Lenin Refutes Mechanics
RevLeft.com - Dialectics: Full of Holes
RevLeft.com - How Karl Marx Almost Escaped
RevLeft.com - Undialectical 'Nodal' Points
RevLeft.com - Formal Logic and Change
RevLeft.com - Dialectics
RevLeft.com - Forces and 'Contradictions'
RevLeft.com - Anti-dialectic Dialectic
RevLeft.com - Eastern Logic/Dialectics vs. Aristotelian Logic
RevLeft.com - Modern Hegelians
RevLeft.com - Hegel's Curse
RevLeft.com - Dialectics Explained
RevLeft.com - Idealism vs Materialism
RevLeft.com - Dialetheism
RevLeft.com - On Contradiction (by Mao Tse-tung)
Other Sites
http://discussion.newyouth.com/index.php?topic=2137.0
http://discussion.newyouth.com/index.php?topic=1441.15
[Alas the above site has all but been abandoned by its admin team, and has now become overgrown with spam. I have been told it will be shut down soon.]
See also here.
A particularly good example of just how unreasonable DM-fans are can be found here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Pazouzou
Another excellent example is the following:
http://haloscan.com/tb/lenin/116999673173635740
In the above, check out the increasingly irrational tone of 'Mr G' -- a comrade with whom I agree 99.9% of the time over most issues, as he knows --, but yet he cannot stomach having the sacred 'dialectic' comprehensively demolished, so devoted is he to its Hermetic Mysteries.
[His 'arguments' are debunked here, here, here and here. I have devoted a special page to him, here.]
A more recent (November 2007) example is this one:
Socialist Unity -> Yet More Dialectical Dunderheads
Readers will no doubt notice that the UK-comrades at the above site are just as capable as their mystical brethren internationally are of pontificating about my ideas without actually having read any of my Essays (examples of similar such can be found in many of the RevLeft links above). Even so, they are equally adept at posting bluster, abuse and invention -- and of informing the world of the limitations of 'Formal Logic' from a position of almost total ignorance.
What a wonderful advertisement they are for the deleterious effect this 'theory' has had on otherwise radical minds!
November/December 2008 -- here, here, here and here are recent examples of this bigoted DM-response from the same UK site, where the dialecticians there can't defend their 'theory' without resorting to prevarication, lies and abuse. In many cases, they just become childish and emotive.
And, there is yet more gratuitous abuse at the same site -- January 2009, here.
See also my detailed replies here and here.
As if this weren't enough, there's even more Dialectical Mayhem to be found at the following link:
http://libcom.org/forums/thought/thesis-antithesis-synthesis
Notice that this is an entirely different Forum, and these are non-Leninist comrades with whom I have never 'debated' before, but they still manage to make the same sorts of points as the mystical misfits above, peppered, too, with the by-now-regulation-issue abusive remarks, compounded by lies and other diversionary tactics.
By any chance, are DM-fans cloned in a factory somewhere?
Here's another recent example of irrationality (from January 2008):
http://secularhumanism.blogspot.com/2008/02/demystifying-dialectics.html
My replies can be found here.
[These links are now dead, I'm afraid.]
The first of the above has been reposted here; the ensuing marathon discussion is a mixture of more reasoned responses to some of my ideas from some comrades, inter-mingled with the same old dialectical abuse from others.
In fact, at the latter site, the character who runs the (now closed) blog at the link above has also tried to 'debate' this with me, but is still quite happy to insult me for no good reason, and lie about me and my ideas. However, in this case, we encounter a new dialectical dodge -- and one I've not seen before --; this character has become so desperate, he even denies I wrote these Essays! How he imagines that that neutralises their content perhaps only his psychiatrist can tell us. [Anyway, check this out.]
The other individual with whom I debated this at the above site is virtuallyt unique, in that 'he' has maintained comradely approach throughout, which I have reciprocated.
And here is another example of Dialectical Dissembling. [Readers are warned that this page might take a while to load.]
Yet more invention; yet more abuse. And all based on the crafty tactic of not having read my Essays!
No surprise there, then.
Just the other day, I discovered this Venezuelan site, where a comrade was quite happy to bad-mouth me even though, as far as I can tell, we have never crossed swords on the internet before. In fact, so desperate has this comrade become, he has even accused me of being a Yankee agent! [This 'debate' ended prematurely since the aforementioned comrade was banned from that site!]
December 2008 -- here's yet another example of the irrational and emotive responses I regularly receive from UK comrades (which also include the 'regulation issue' scatological abuse). [Alas, this link is now dead, too!]
September 2009 -- and, here's a discussion (which manages to remain civil, for a change!) between yours truly and several academic Marxists -- the reader will soon spot, however, the usual, stereotypical 'dialectical moves'/evasions, but little or no attempt to answer this simple question clearly: "What the hell is a 'dialectical contradiction'?"
I spoke too soon! No sooner had I written the above when an individual (who calls himself 'Juurrian') replied to an earlier response to him by me (comment 45). This character quickly adopted the by-now-familiar lying, abusive and scatological mode of argument. I had up to that point been pleasant with him, but that made no difference.-- which only serves to underline the comment I made at the top of this page:
25 years (!!) of this from Dialectical Mystics has meant I now take an aggressive stance with them every time -- I soon learnt back in the 1980s that being pleasant with them (my initial tactic) did not alter their abusive tone, their propensity to fabricate, nor reduce the amount of scatological language they used.
This debate continues here, here, here and here.
In the next month so, I will add a link to a page that records the abusive and scatological language ranged against me by a well-known Marxist Professor of Economics -- who says, among other pleasantries, that I should be fed Hemlock, and that I should "Eat sh*t and die!". All because I had the temerity to question the 'sacred dialectic'! This just goes to show that HCDs can be just as emotive and abusive as their lesser LCD-brethren are.
[The terms HCD and LCD are explained here.]
December 2011 -- I posted a few comments at the RedMarx board, and was promptly banned! Readers can judge for themselves from this thread the depth and depravity of the heinous crimes I committed against the Holy Dialectic, which led to my righteous expulsion.
[And here is a typically incoherent and scatological response, which I almost invariably elicit from the faithful.]
Is there a single dialectician on the planet who can defend effectively the "world view of the proletariat"?
And, who can do so without resorting to the usual abusive, scatological, irrational and emotional response?
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